Why Israel?

In the last post I identified something mostly unknown to professing Christians… a “mystery” or secret God withheld from His creation until He chose to reveal that information to the Apostle Paul.  In attempting to determine what that information is, let us first examine Gods intent for the nation Israel.

In Genesis 12:1-3 God calls Abram out of Ur (Babylon) unto a new location that remained undisclosed to Abram.  Abram believed what God was saying to him and, following the Lords instruction, left his fathers house.  God made a promise to Abram (because of that belief) that He would make of Abram a great nation which would in turn be a blessing to those who would bless Abram.  I think we can fairly identify a nation as a large group of people.  Key words to my point are located in Gen 12:3(b)… “and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”  This is the very beginning of the nation Israel and defines their very purpose; that they should somehow be a blessing to others (all families).  Many years later, the covenant of circumcision comes into play.  It is the wall of partition which separates out those whom God has a covenant agreement with (a covenant is an agreement between parties) from those He does not.  God has a covenant agreement with Israel and no other nation.  See Genesis 17:11-14 (KJV…Only).

Still later (I am passing over much history here) as Moses is leading captive Israel (they were bad and God was punishing them) from Egypt, God establishes the Law with the nation.  Exodus 19:5-6… “Now therefore, IF ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, THEN ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.  These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”  Notice carefully the “If/Then” nature of this covenant agreement.

A nation of priests… what then is a priest?  A priest is a mediator between God and man; one who was to perform the sacred rights on behalf of the people to make things “right” between the nation and God.  Therefore the nation Israel, as a nation of priests, was to be the channel of blessing from God to the rest of the peoples (nations) of the world.

The nation responds to that covenant in Deut. 6:25… “And it shall be our righteousness, IF we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He hath commanded us.”  The following of Gods Law then, will be the righteousness of Israel.  Clearly, Israel is under the impression they will be able to follow Gods Holy Law.  Could they; did they?  Clearly they did not as the only man who could ever perfectly follow Gods Perfect Law was “God As Man” Jesus Christ.  It was subsequently revealed (by Paul) that Jesus Christ was the “end” of the Law (Romans 10:4) to them that believed.  Israel did not believe (and still does not yet see).

Jesus Christ Himself commanded the nation in what has become known collectively as the great commission (Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-20, Luke 24:45-50 and Acts 1:1-8) to go into all the world and preach the Kingdom of God!  They (the nation as a whole) did not, because they did not believe Christ was who He said He was.  They did not believe Christ was God.

Since Israel failed to live up to their end of the covenant agreement, did God establish the nation as that nation of priests to the world (1 Peter 2:9)?  Clearly, He did not.  The world is not looking to Israel as Gods channel of blessing; nor should the world seek such in Israel today, as they failed to keep that which God commanded and failed to recognize their Messiah.  (At least thus far.)  Now the question must be asked: what are the Gentile nations (all nations “below” Israel) to do, now that Gods channel of blessing is (temporarily) “cut off” as they currently are?  How was a lowly Gentile supposed to come to know God?  As Paul writes to the Jewish leaders in Acts 28:28… “Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Herein lies the essence of the mystery made known to Paul… that Gentile believers might receive some portion of Gods blessing apart from the nation Israel.  But is Paul’s message therefore different then that which the twelve were proclaiming?  Did Paul not simply continue the twelves Kingdom message?  Israel, Gods channel of blessing to Gentiles, is “cut off” at this moment.  If we read Gods Word rightly divided as the Holy Spirit through Paul instructs, we observe clearly that Paul’s message (gospel – good news) is vastly different from the message (gospel – good news) given to the twelve.  Paul’s good news is “apart” from the nation Israel’s good news.  It is here we begin to understand how and why Paul claims such ownership over what he teaches.

Next Post – “Paul, not one of the twelve!

7 thoughts on “Why Israel?

  1. Israel today,
    i have been led to see and or believe Physical Israel is one of the false miracles we were warned about.
    Instead of why Israel, people need to become more aware of the ‘who Israel?’ At this time (True Israel) is not a physical location.
    And i do believe regardless of genealogy & through true repentance we can be counted in the family of Israel.
    So many passages lead us in this direction, yet the world concentrates on the physical.
    The Jews and the Romans are still at odds, still at war. They ignore that Paul states he is both a Jew and and also a Roman. They Ignore so much.

    GCP responds… Why would any believer today want to be counted among the family of Israel when Israel is fallen? When the freely offered grace of God is available to us without condition? I agree we should not concentrate on the physical. Israel is all about the physical earth. It is their particular inheritance. Our Inheritance is heavenly as Colossians 3:1-3 clearly state. That Paul is both a Jew and a Roman is meaningless; when in the new creature created by God in this dispensation of grace, there is NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile (Roman). Physical Israel today is counterfeit Israel. The mystery revealed to Paul proves it.

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  2. I see what you mean. In our church’s study in Ephesians, in chapter 2, Paul distinguishes Israel that missed pretty much everything and the Messiah in His first advent and Gentiles that missed everything just by being outside of Israel but IN CHRIST both Jew and Gentile are the same with respect to reconciliation and redemption (Eph 1:14-18). And in Ephesians 1:20-23 God sets the new covenant as a done deal in Christ. Israel is no longer an issue in this age. (I’m a dispensational type who believes the church age started at Pentecost and ends at the rapture, so that’s my frame of reference in this “church” or “set apart ones” age). Paul then uses the personal pronouns in chapter 2 to distinguish between Jews (Israel) with “we” and Gentiles “you” and makes it clear that the two groups which were VERY different in the age of Israel, are now one in Christ. Israel will be an issue during Daniel’s seventieth week and in the Millennial Kingdom. I don’t believe any church age believers will be in Israel’s last seven years yet I do think church age believers (those who are qualified) will have an administrative role much like the role of the angels in OT Israel during the MK and there’s Scripture I believe support that but don’t include it here.

    Not trying to be contentious but I don’t feel same wrt being a member of the family of Israel, not now since there is no Jew (Israel) and no Greek but only ones who are in Christ or not in Christ. Perhaps your view is an arguable issue and good point during the kingdom of the Father where (when) every believer throughout human history will be located, some inside the new Jerusalem and some waiting in the outer darkness for healing leaves.

    GCP responds…

    you write… “(I’m a dispensational type who believes the church age started at Pentecost and ends at the rapture, so that’s my frame of reference in this “church” or “set apart ones” age).”

    Acts chapter 2 references that which is to occur outside of today’s “church age”.

    Acts 2:16… “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;”

    Joel was a prophet of Israel. How then can what is happening in Acts chapter 2 be of the mystery (or church age) revealed to Paul? The “church age” you refer to was not even revealed at that moment in time. The church “the body of Christ” of which the Kingdom saints are not a part was revealed in Acts chapter 9 to Paul. The Acts 2 dispensational position is not supported by scripture; but I do realize it is supported by many men including the Berean Bible Society. “Let God be true…” You are correct in believing this dispensation of grace comes to a conclusion at the “rapture” of the church which is His body… the (unprophesied) new creature. We will no longer be necessary as God will no longer be offering grace and peace to this fallen world. His ambassadors (us) will be called home… amen!

    The different groups of people Paul refers to in Ephesians chapter one is explained thusly.

    Eph 1:12-13… “That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

    Paul went to “the Jew first” (Rom 1:16). Those who first believed in the freely offered and therefore covenant free grace of God were predominantly Jews with a few believing Gentiles in the mix. “We who FIRST trusted in Christ”… the “we” in the above verse. Following the pronouns, the “ye” refers to the “far hence” Gentiles Paul was sent to post Acts 28:28. Simple!

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  3. Greetings GCP-
    ‘and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed’…….then again in chap. 28, God says the same thing to Jacob, interestingly, this is when Jacob dreamed of the ladder from heaven with angels descending and ascending on it- and the ladder is prominently displayed on a masonic trestle board.

    Gen. 3:15; god tells us that Satan has seed !! A mystery indeed !! Then in Gen ch 6:
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Do you catch that? The sonS of god……..
    Also, “as it was in the days of Noah”……..I have multiple conversations with seminary trained ministers, and they say the same thing as you…..giving in marriage, eating, drinking…..but that DOES NOT set apart the days of Noah, as since the beginning mankind has been doing that. Or, if they say, ‘the whole world was full of sin and debauchery…….I say “name me ONE TIME when that was NOT the condition of the world?
    And enter in the fallen angel theory: where the books of Enoch and Jasher- both referenced as books of authority in the KJV, and my research has shown me that the book of Enoch was preached as part of the Word for the first several hundred years AD.

    One thing I am in disagreement with is the breakdown of “past, present and future” on the books of the Bible………

    annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- I’ll just keep it short, but I’ll be back !!

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  4. Greetings sir ordo! I hear you brother, many have issues with “time past”, “but now” and the “ages to come”. Allow me to explain hopefully a bit more clearly. Use the sites Bible chart for a pictorial example of the words written. Our time period is represented by the yellow shaded area.

    You write.. “I say “name me ONE TIME when that was NOT the condition of the world?””

    I can’t. Man has been sinful since the beginning. So too has satan and his minions. That’s not the point however. The point in studying the Bible dispensationally is to understand WHAT GOD IS DOING for and about sinful man at any given moment in time. If we don’t understand what God is doing, confusion is the inevitable result. Thus the myriad denominations that infest “Christianity” today.

    Different teachers break the Bible down into many different dispensations. I like to keep things simple and scriptural so as not to interject my own thoughts or opinions into the matter because my thoughts and opinions don’t matter one bit. I count five basic dispensations in the Bible. Two past, one present and two future. Here they are.

    First the dispensation of death. (past)

    Romans 5:14… “Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

    Second, the dispensation of the law given to the mediator between God and Israel, Moses. (past)

    Gal 3:19… “Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”

    Exodus 24:12… “And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.”

    Deut 6:24-25… “And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” (There were over 600, not just 10…)

    Third and currently, the dispensation of grace given to Paul for the whole world where there is neither Jew nor Gentile as Israel is temporarily fallen or set aside. (present)

    Eph 3:1-4… “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)”

    Acts 13:38-39… “Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”

    Rom 6:14-15… ” For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.”

    Fourth, the dispensation of “thy Kingdom come” where Christ rules and reigns with a rod of iron for 1,000 years. (future)

    Daniel 2:44… “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

    Rev 20:2-3… “And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.”

    Fifth and finally, the dispensation of the fulness of times where all things in heaven and in earth are made whole in Christ. (future)

    Eph 1:10… “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:”

    In a nutshell; in the past there was once no law, then there was law. Now there is no law and therefore no covenant agreements between God and man, but free grace. In the future the new testament will reign with Christ on earth for 1,000 years and finally all things will be brought together in a new heaven and earth from which the presence of sin will be abolished. Dispensational theology has nothing to do with man as you seem to indicate, but everything to do with how God is dealing with sinful man and therefore, how sinful man should respond to God accordingly. Does this make sense?

    You write… “And enter in the fallen angel theory: where the books of Enoch and Jasher- both referenced as books of authority in the KJV, and my research has shown me that the book of Enoch was preached as part of the Word for the first several hundred years AD.”

    To which I’ll reply that the book of Jasher is mentioned in the KJB (Josh 10:13 and 2 Sam 1:18) but there is no “book of Enoch” mentioned even though Enoch is a very important prophet in scripture. That neither “books” are in the Bible, neither can be fully trusted as Gods perfect word. That said, I don’t require either to agree fully with “fallen angel theory”. These creatures mated with human women and created flesh that God never intended. They did so back before the flood “and also after that”. I firmly believe they are doing it today, that the activity has never stopped.

    If you have not yet run across Mike Hoggard, you should look up his 3 part teaching on “Giants” on the youtube. While Mike does not understand the Bible from a rightly divided perspective, his research into Giants is astounding. The KJB is sufficient to inform us of everything we need to know. It is all we require to understand fully the world around us. Paul writes…

    2 Tim 2:7… “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.”

    I look forward to continuing our conversation here and on The Burning Platform. Grace and peace to you and yours!

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  5. Nice reply- thanks !

    I have always believed the Bible is the story of Jesus Christ from the first chapter, to the last, and since God knows the beginning from the end, he knew Satan was going to corrupt his creation, and that only Himself, in the Flesh, would be able to reconcile his most prized creation (for we are made in His image) to Himself.

    I ‘misspoke’ about the book of Enoch, but the point remains he was mentioned as having authority…. for he walked with God, and was not…….and the book of Jasher. I do not suggest that they carry the same weight as the canonical, but rightly dividing the meat of scripture allows for further verification of the authenticity the information that is found in those books.

    “As it was in the days of Noah”….there has to be something different about those days for Jesus Christ to specifically refer to them. Would the advent of genetic research, nano technology, artificial intelligence, transhumanism….possibly be the specific difference? I think so, and that is the time in which we are !

    I am aware of Hoggard, but it has been quite a while since I have listened to anything of his.
    You write:

    “In the future the new testament will reign with Christ on earth for 1,000 years and finally all things will be brought together in a new heaven and earth from which the presence of sin will be abolished. Dispensational theology has nothing to do with man as you seem to indicate, but everything to do with how God is dealing with sinful man and therefore, how sinful man should respond to God accordingly. Does this make sense?”

    No, not really. It sounds somewhat like the Jehovah Witness described kingdom….but:

    “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world”.

    I have a great burden in that, I “have sinned wilfully, after that which we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin”……..so my problem is the years that I used the blood of Christ as a prepaid ticket to sin, and have a youthful life full of doing so

    . The dispensations as you cover them, are somewhat mainstream,( “Who can search the mind of God?”) which I’m not so sure that I am on board with,(of course, there’s really only one whose ‘opinion’ matters) even though they are defendable. It seems to limit how/when/what God chooses to do..

    It’s difficult for me to articulate what it is that I want to say in a coherent manner. Which is why I like the folks over at TBP, they have no problems with getting their points across, do they?

    annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- have you ever followed Tom Horn at skywatchtv.com?

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  6. “Key words to my point are located in Gen 12:3(b)… “and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” This is the very beginning of the nation Israel and defines their very purpose; that they should somehow be a blessing to others (all families).”

    I believe God KNEW that He would send ‘Emanuel’ through Abram’s bloodline, and JESUS would be the blessing to others- not the nation of Israel.

    annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- once saved/always saved ?

    “For if we sin willfully after that we have rec’d the knowledge of the truth, THERE REMAINETH NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN………..of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ” Heb 10
    Paul’s letter written to the ‘Hebrews’……so the above verse (and more) are ONLY meant for the Jewish people……?

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  7. You write… “I have always believed the Bible is the story of Jesus Christ from the first chapter, to the last…”

    Agreed, and to that I would add, the Bible is the story of fallen humankind from the first chapter to the last as well.

    “(for we are made in His image)”

    Well… Adam was, and Eve too for that matter as she was made from Adam. But the rest of humankind, we are made in Adam’s fallen image. This is why we require redemption. We need to be put back into the image of God and Christ’s atoning cross-work accomplishes that for us; as we surely could not do it ourselves with fig leaves or any other “work”.

    Gen 5:3… “And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, and AFTER HIS IMAGE; and called his name Seth:” We too are Adam’s children; made in Adam’s image.

    “I ‘misspoke’ about the book of Enoch, but the point remains he was mentioned as having authority”

    I have misspoken more times than I care to count and still do. That’s why we should study to shew ourselves approved as Paul commands (2 Tim 2:15). Enoch does have authority as a very important Bible figure. I personally believe (although I can’t prove it scripturally) that he will be one of the two witnesses in the end times, along with Elijah; as they are the only two people to have not seen death, but were “raptured” out of this world before death could claim them.

    “I am aware of Hoggard,”

    Check out his “Giants” study. Blow your mind, seriously!!!

    As for the future new testament stuff, please read “Are believers today new testament Christians” and hopefully you will begin to see that we are not under it. We live under grace which equates to a “no testament” (mystery) time period.

    You quote, James 1:27… “Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”

    While I agree that helping the fatherless and widows, keeping oneself as unspotted as possible are excellent things, (this goes to right division)… who was James speaking to? We just need to look up in the same chapter to find out.

    James 1:1… “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

    James is not speaking to you unless you are a member of one of the twelve tribes of Jews Paul scattered abroad. He is writing to Jewish believers. He very likely wrote this letter in the mid-Acts period as Paul was actively hunting the Jewish believers down (Acts 8:1, 9:1-2). This book is written to future tribulation saints; those Jews and Gentiles who occupy the world post “rapture”. (I don’t like that word as it is not Biblical but use it for ease of understanding.) We saved are NEITHER Jew NOR Gentile (Gal 3:28).

    “I have a great burden in that, I “have sinned wilfully, after that which we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin”……..so my problem is the years that I used the blood of Christ as a prepaid ticket to sin, and have a youthful life full of doing so”

    You need not have any burden whatsoever. We all sin willfully, it is who and what we are. Read Romans 7. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. There is an enormous difference there. Who penned the verse above, to whom, and why? It’s found in another Hebrew (future) epistle! It’s written to future tribulation saints, those who must “endure to the end in order to be saved” (Mat 24:13). They have a future function in the world; a “great commission” to fulfill. We on the other hand are saved by the gospel Christ gave to Paul. Our commission is found in 2 Corinthians 5. Sin is not our problem as Christ paid the price for us. Paul is our apostle, not Peter, James or John. We are Gentiles, not Jews.

    Rom 11:13… “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”

    1 Cor 11:1… “Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”

    And what does our apostle say about our sin condition?

    Col 2:13… “And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES;”

    As one who IS FORGIVEN ALL TRESPASSES, should you be asking God for forgiveness, or, thanking Him for the forgiveness He has already granted?

    Rom 5:1-11… “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”

    Saved people today are saved today. There is nothing left for us to do except to study to begin to understand just how much God has already done for us. Who and what He has made us to be. He has placed us back into the perfect image of His Son… as Adam was before the fall! How ought one who realizes such to behave? First and foremost I’m going to jump for joy! Then I’m going to get busy…

    2 Cor 3:18… “But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”

    WOW…!!!

    ““Who can search the mind of God?””

    1 Cor 2:16… “For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.”

    I can, so too can you. We have the very mind of Christ available to us in the form of Gods Word, His Son (John 1:1-3, 14, 1 John 5:7) and the book He wrote to us which is also His word. When one begins to understand what God told Paul, the very mind of God opens to us as God gave the “why” of everything to Paul.

    2 Tim 2:7… “Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.” This is an absolutely HUGE statement with implications you have yet to imagine!

    “It’s difficult for me to articulate what it is that I want to say in a coherent manner. Which is why I like the folks over at TBP, they have no problems with getting their points across, do they?”

    I’m following you just fine… and yes, the folks over at TBP have NO problem expressing their opinions 🙂

    I have read some Tom Horn. I appreciate much of his research but have serious problems with his un-rightly divided theology. More later… I see your next comment!

    CONTINUED…

    You write… “I believe God KNEW that He would send ‘Emanuel’ through Abram’s bloodline, and JESUS would be the blessing to others- not the nation of Israel.”

    Jesus is to be the blessing to ALL men, both the Jews and Gentiles in the prophetic program and “neither Jew nor Gentile” in the mystery program. Christ is the only Righteous One; the only One who could both be Just and the Justifier at the same time. Examine these verses:

    Rom 3:23-26… “For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that HE might be JUST, AND THE JUSTIFIER of him which believeth in Jesus.”

    The word propitiation means “the act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person.” In this case it is humanity which has offended God. NONE of us can make a satisfying payment for our own sin; how could we possibly make a payment for another’s? Not possible. Since it is God that is offended, only God can satisfy Himself. He became us, became sin for us (2 Cor 5:17-21) and paid the price we owe. The penalty of sin is death (Rom 6:23) therefore, as offenders, we owe God our lives. He was gracious enough to pay the price Himself that we would be free from sins penalty. We deserve to die. God loves His creation (us) so much that He died in its (our) place.

    annuit coeptis novus ordo seclorum- once saved/always saved ?

    Once saved, always saved!

    You write… “For if we sin willfully after that we have rec’d the knowledge of the truth, THERE REMAINETH NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SIN………..of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ” Heb 10
    Paul’s letter written to the ‘Hebrews’……so the above verse (and more) are ONLY meant for the Jewish people……?

    Now I’m gonna hit you with a big one. Ready…? Paul did not write the book of Hebrews. It is a Jewish tribulation epistle. It does NOT contain the doctrine of “once saved, always saved”. It contains the opposite; that would be “endure to the end to be saved”. I know all Bible publishers write that he did at the epistles beginning; but it’s not possible. Here is why. Examine this verse.

    Hebrews 2:3… “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;”

    This is why the KJB is so critical. It’s the little words that can count for the biggest things. Let’s follow the pronouns as we dissect this verse. How shall “we” escape… The “we” here would naturally include the author. If “we” neglect so great salvation;… Same “we”, author included. Which at first began to be spoken by the Lord… the things the Lord spoke during His earthly ministry to Israel were things of prophesy not mystery; the red letters. And was confirmed unto “us”… That “us” would include the author as well. By them that heard Him. So whomever wrote the book of Hebrews (I don’t know who did and I don’t know anyone who does) heard the things Jesus spoke during His time on earth from other people. “Was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him.” In other words… “them that heard Him” confirmed what He said to “us” which includes the author. The author therefore learned what he learned about Christ from other men… them that heard Him, most likely the 12 as they were with Him.

    What does Paul say about what he learned about Christ?

    Gal 1:11-12… “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

    What Paul learned about Christ (the mystery) he got directly from Christ. No other man taught him anything about the Lord. On the contrary, it was Paul who taught the 12 about Gods grace offered to the Gentiles!

    Gal 2:1-2… “Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.”

    There is therefore no way Paul could have written Hebrews. This is not refutable. Another strong indication is that in every one of Paul’s epistles he begins with his own name. Look and see… Hebrews begins with “God”… Hmmm.

    You write… “so the above verse (and more) are ONLY meant for the Jewish people……?”

    Yup. Them that enter into the coming great tribulation. They are future books. And people wonder why I find the Bible to be so very important. It is humanities story, past, present AND future!

    I am greatly enjoying this conversation and hope you are too. Incredible stuff, huh… 🙂

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